Sunder MC raid

[killets]

the success of this loot system is completely dependent on how successful you guys are in MC though.

if you guys only get 1 purple after 4 hours of MC, you're going to have to make it so you only get +5 per raid instead of +10.

[Kharama]

if ya need a druid gimmie a hollah =)



Kharama 60 Druid lost in the dark side bleeding hollow

[Kharama]

i have to agree with sly it shouldnt be our responability to download a ui mod when the priest can heal and all that jazz and yes it shows all the peoples health all over the screen but do you really want ya monitor clustered with all those icons ?

[killets]

i honestly wouldn't allow a primary healer into MC who didn't use raid assist, unless people already know you don't suck, and are able to track healths and mana of a variety of key people without raid assist.

i can't tell you how often you will need to break into healing rotations, where rotation 1 will have to monitor rotation 2's mana status. where certain healers will need to "float" heal, say on Golemagg, who will RSTS pyroblast someone in the raid for mega damage, but the healers can't be bothered to heal them, since they're primary focus is keeping the main tank who takes 2000 damage hits up, as well as the 2 secondary tanks who are off-tanking the 2 invincible dogs he has with him.

on mobs like Lucifron, druids and mages will have to cover curse curing for the entire raid. often times there won't be enough, or sometimes people die (often times people die) and will need other people from other groups covering for them.

if you're too lazy to goto www.ctmod.net and download raid assist, then that's your problem, not the guild organizers. it is extremely non-intrusive and takes about 1 brain cell to figure out how to work. you can arrange the health bars so that they don't clutter, or you can just put the people you care about like main tank, primary healers etc and don't display anything else.

raid assist is standalone, and does not require any mod-pre-reqs, and is not known to have conflicts with any existing mods either.

[killets]

i can't stress it enough, that 1 healer per group does not work in MC.

the mobs hit for thousands of damage. while they will stay on the main tank (if the main tank is at all decent), they also do secondary attacks on random members in the raid. 1 priest absolutely cannot keep up with the damage on the main tank, and if a person gets selected with RSTS twice for secondary damage, they will die unless other people are able to help with the heals.

Also, occasionally your main tank will die. The mob who hits for thousands of damage will proceed to aggro the healer who has the most aggro. And will most likely kill most of the healers until another tank can grab aggro (takes some times usually). What you'll have then is like 1 main tank dead, and 2-3 priests dead. the groups with dead priests will need healing from people not in their group.

Again, there are also instances where not every group will have a dispeller, where not every group will have a curse curer, where not every group will have decent heals, where not every group will have access to innervate, etc. With raid assist, you are essentially in a 40 man group, and you are no longer blind to what is going on outside your little microcosm.

[Jedus]

God raidbar is gay.

[Mourningblade]

Again, there are also instances where not every group will have a dispeller, where not every group will have a curse curer, where not every group will have decent heals, where not every group will have access to innervate, etc.

Hehe, those groups are called hunters

[slythetove]

Perhaps it's not that someone is "too lazy" as you put it to download a UI mod.

Perhaps for some people the "challenge" of being a great healer without the "crutches" is part of the fun.

Just something to think about.

[sinful]

Sign me up, hopefully im not to late

[killets]

hehe sly, dunno if that's a challenge or not.

but the bottom line is, i considered myself to be one of the better out of group healers. but i'm not omniscient. it's literally impossible to cycle through everyone's health, especially when you have 10 guys on 1 mob and all 10 guys are standing on top of each other. then, even assuming you were somehow astute enough to figure out that amongst the 4 tauren and 5 orcs overlapping each other, it's the afk winke who is getting attacked, now you have the task of clicking on him...

or.. you could have raid bar, see his health going down fast, and click his name on your raid bar. :/

same with curses. when lucifron curses, every second that you delay de-cursing someone cripples him for the encounter. when you have 6 decursors coordinated the curing of 40 people, raidbar makes it so you don't wipe with delays.

It's like saying, using a calculator is cheating. yea, depending on what you're doing... if you're learning how to multiply, using a calculator is cheating. If you're calculated the governing equation for a 2nd order hydraulics system, yea, by all means, do it by hand. But if you're responsible for calculating a 12th order systems equation to model the frequency response from a 12 node structure, given a set of 30,000 data points, to calculate the structural integrity of a high traffic bridge, you don't waste time proving you can do it by hand. You model it with a computer, because telling people to do it by hand is only for people with ego problems. You're there to accomplish a task, and that's to verify the structure is safe.

It's the same deal with molten core. If you want to learn how to heal out of group, goto do it where you aren't going to be a liability. Even the best healers out there don't tell themselves they can handle it without raid assist. You'll be slower and less informed than everyone else who does have it installed (aka liability). If you're not there because you want to beat the dungeon, then you're probably not on the same page as everyone else... which is why I wouldn't invite you to my molten core raid.

Again, I'm not Kim, I'm not organizing the raid. While you may take offense to requiring something like this, or the way I've laid it out, there's really no other clear way for me to convey the message.

[Kharama]

i have to agree with sly ya can still be a groovy healer and heal and cure curse without usin a crutch like raid bar. however its a good mod yes i give ya that . its a great tool for those lazy healers that dont like to pay attention to the fight in progress =)




but i can see killets point also its a good tool durin a mass clusterfuck fight =)

just food for thought

[barbos]

It's more like bringing in your own calculator to use on a math test in which calculators were not supplied.

[killets]

no way. seriously, you prove nothing by attempting to do this without those tools. it's just to feed your ego. if you have something to prove, try being the only healer on your 15 man UBRS raid, then tape a piece of paper over your group window. You prove nothing by making MC harder than it already is.

No offense guys, but you guys couldn't even fight to lucifron, and you're saying you don't need tools to make the raid even manageable with anything less than the ideal # of people and skillset.

I'm saying from experience, and I've done maybe 15 MC runs now, and we've cleared every boss except Ragnaros so far, that it just isn't going to happen without raid assist for you guys. sorry. killed onyxia 2 times now, and that may be a little more feasible, since onyxia is amazingly easy.

go ahead and prove me wrong though. not my time you're wasting, it's the other 39 people in the raid who depend on you to cover for them.

[barbos]

silly azns

[Abysmal]

Killets owns, miss having him around :/