Wow is a coming soon what you gonna do.

[Hall]

I find orc Fems to not look to bad looking, and the troll fems Rawk imho
so now do I go Troll shaman or Orc shaman

HE BITCH AWAYI GO ><

CHAM CHAM 4 the motherfucking winnar

[Twystyd]

Also note, as with other games, specific stats are more important to specific races, IE. with the exception of Hunters and Rogues, str is the only stat used for DPS it's also a factor in determining how much physical damage a shield wearing class will block if the blow is not fully deflected. Agi helps with armor values, dodge %ages, crit %ages, block %ages and parry %ages. I believe that Sta is just for HPs currently, and every class benefits the same from +Sta (10 HPs per point of sta). Spirit effects health and mana regen.

Exactly Sirion.

Yes, Stamina deals with total Hits while Intelligence deals with total mana pool

[Sirion]

Orc Shaman are superior to Troll Shaman in ever stat that matters if thats your thing. In fact, they are superior to Tauren as well in every stat except str. But free speed at level 40... ><

[Rhuac]

I could run a TS server off my cable as well if needed. Not sure how many people it could hold, but the server isn't doing anything else atm.

[Sirion]

Exactly Sirion.

Yes, Stamina deals with total Hits while Intelligence deals with total mana pool

Gah, I knew I left a stat out >< freaking Intelligence ;x

[Rhuac]

Honestly WoW is much more item driven then race drive. Blizzard said they wanted to allow people to play any race w/o being gimped to hell. On paper Tauren get the mad strength, Undead get the racial bonus (IMO) and orcs are the well rounded race (orcs are the hordes equivelent to humans). Any of these are solid warriors.

Which is why I say you pick a race that looks cool to you.

In my opinion undead and tauren are the only races that look cool on horde. Trolls are just fugly, and orcs are goofy looking. Although the troll /dance is capueda(sp).

[Xarkon]

tauren dont get mounts do they? how does this plain running work

[Sirion]

I can't really give a definate discription about Plainsrunning, other than I think it charges while they are actually moving. Fardomar would be the ideal person to ask about this, as I believe one of his 40+ Warriors is a Tauren.

[Twystyd]

A few things I would like to mention and perhaps discuss about server selection -

As any time a guild starts a new game, I would like to get a good rolling start on the new server, as to not be competing for quest mobs, with the other 9 billion idiots just starting out. So, I'd rather do our scouting pre-launch, so that we can make a firm decision on server choice beforehand. This is not going to be easy with racial starting zones being spread out.

Server Selection -

(This one is for the GM's Dwayne, Kim and Joshll (others thoughts are appreciated but they must descide wtf BWC is doing) -

I've also been meaning to bring this up for awhile. When World of Warcraft ships my assumption is that there will be something in the neighborhood of four PvP servers per realm. This limits BWC's choices somewhat, and no matter where we go we are no doubt going to run into guilds some of us have known in the past (WaR, SiN, BG, etc...). The question here is, do we want to try to avoid the servers with these guilds? If so, what happens when they all pick different servers (unlikely, but still...). Is there a particular guild we can agree we can tolerate more easily then others? Just about every PvP guild I know of is picking horde, so since it seems BWC will be horde also, like it or not we may very well wind up being quasi allies with some people we don't like or in particular I don't like. Now, I am not certain but most likely will be PvP and will not feed the alliance zerg so this really is more a BWC question then a Law question.

There are going to be jackasses on whatever server BWC chooses. That being said, I would actually prefer being on the same side as a queer but established guild like SiN over being on the same side as a guild like DIE (huge alliance butt-fuck guild). At least SiN is good at PvP and has constructive things to add to conversations. DIE is unbelievably annoying. They are a zerg guild made up of the steriotypical 13 year old dipshit. Constant bragging about non-accomplishments and a huge stream of bullshit on the boards is their specialty.

With guilds like SiN we wont be able to PK them. Say we are in some zone attacking the Alliance, when lo and behold the alliance decides to fight back, they bring numbers. So more horde shows up, only it's Bone Dancer and the rest of his SiN cronies. Bone decides he's the big cheese and starts barking orders to all horde. See my point? I don't think it's gonna be that big of deal, just based on the large PvP battles I've seen so far in beta but is worth some thought from the officers.

This is pre-raid content, so it may change after they get that put in, but for now this is the case. There are three types of PvP, offensive raid, defensive, and random pk. The offensive raid is always organized by one or two raid leaders. If it is someone we don't like, then the easy choice is just don't go. Fairly simple.

If it is a defensive stand, then there are so many people there, there never is any organization between guilds. Everyone is in different teamspeaks with different guild chats, and nobody cooperates. It's pretty much just a ffa. So if we see someone there helping we don't like, it's also no big deal. And again in rpk, I've not seen any cooperation between groups.

The way PvP is setup right now, you are not forced into working with anyone. If you don't wanna do it, just don't go. And with raid content, I got the feeling that we can field enough people ourselves that we won't need to worry about sinister or anyone else to help us out. So for server selection, I would recommend not even worrying about where any other guild goes, and just take the one that we think will not be overcrowded.

[Winke]

I say we adopt a no tolerance philosophy, this way it wont mattre where we end up we just /enemy everyone. BWC to pwn everyone else, simple and effective.

Winke

[Sirion]

Just let me know where you guys are playing (hopefully it's going to be on an Eastcoast server) and I'll let my friends know. If nothing else we will be able to help out with stuff with little more than some loving shit talk <3.

[Sirion]

I say we adopt a no tolerance philosophy, this way it wont mattre where we end up we just /enemy everyone. BWC to pwn everyone else, simple and effective.

Winke

If you mean kill everyone on either side, I'm not sure that the typical PvP server is going to work that way. Blizzard has stated (although of course I'm sure it's subject to change) that PvP is going to be "team based" (think realms) so no matter what, there are going to be some assholes to deal with.

[Tingtong]

Exactly my opinion law. I would suggest picking a Lower Population server and Going from there. I think BWC will land on it's feet where ever we go. But I would say Keep an eye on where the big Zerg Leet Guilds of Doom. They are the epitome of all that is wrong in MMO's. Their Command & Conquer Playstyle at whatever cost takes the fun out of playing........ yes... playing a game. It's fun to Win, but it's also fun to loose. These guilds don't know how to loose and that's what really destroys a server from the beginning.



and thats all i got to say about that...

[SuperHelix]

Lower pop server. Law let us know.

We kill all.. alliance or horde, if it is just alliance vs. horde, we kill alliance.

We will see where we need to create alliances within horde once we are established.

[Twystyd]

I would suggest picking a Lower Population server and Going from there. I think BWC will land on it's feet where ever we go. But I would say Keep an eye on where the big Zerg Leet Guilds of Doom.

The only guild I worry about some is CoS because they are so huge and unlike most zerg guilds are extremely organized and effective. FoH and CQ are two other guilds playing alliance in beta that could be factors as they are medium in size 30-45 members and run under strict dictatorships by good leaders.

Nerfed, although man on man is one of the most skilled guilds across gaming period keeps to under 15 gamers or so and should not present much trouble. They are playing straight undead in beta.