Alliance stance on radar?

[kordaer]

First up, I'll say that Convicts have never, and will never use or condone the use of radar. We've never really encountered it knowing for sure (to my knowledge). We have suspected realm mates of it of course, but none were ever stupid enough to admit it or make it look obvious. Till Merlin.

So far I've grouped with one person I was ~90% sure used radar. It's possible he had a really good link/pc, or xray vision and a telescope, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. He never openly admitted to using it, just made it seem obvious. He's also an alliance member. There have been a few others I've suspected from grouping with.

Then there was SavageX, who we all thought radar'd, and the fool admitted it the first time we grouped with him. If he hadn't left the group (due to our guildie driver not agreeing to follow him), we would've booted him, and I think we'll react to it faster in the future (we left him in group for a run). The other 2 pickups in group wanted us to follow him and take advantage of it, the "don't care" attitude seems pretty wide spread around here. I myself share that attitude somewhat, and don't want to know about it, but won't knowingly take advantage of it.

Although I generally don't care, I'd still like to see all cheaters banned. The game would be a much better place without it, and just not having the paranoia of suspecting enemy groups to be using radar would be nice. I don't want to ruffle alliance feathers though, especially if i don't know 100% for sure.

What do others think?

[SuperHelix]

Good post.

Midgard Merlin - 75% of users use radar

Albion - About 30%

Hibernia - Over 90%.

Nothing we can do.

With NF out in the next 1-4 weeks, at this point, it just doesn't matter.

What we need to do is start preparing for NF, and not worry about the "OLD" daoc.

-Gun

[Joshll]

Kordaer,

I've been on Merlin forever. Radar was around even in the 1st couple months of the game when Conquest was dominating. But it was ok, because it wasn't widespread. Just a few uber power gamers in Emain. It wasn't much of a bother for those of us that didn't live in emain. But over the past 2 years it's gone from being the tool of a few despicable people to extremely common. In the last 6-9 months, it's everywhere. I've seen friends start to use it.

I used to solo alot on my shaman. I did well. I loved Odins & making solo runs to Sauvage. Now I don't bother, I know I'll get gang raped no matter how far off the beaten path I run and how sneaky I try to be. I got the majority of my rp's outside emain because thats where the cheaters go, and I hated that.

For over a year I've sent in feedback on the camelotherald about radar at least 4 times a week. Seriously, I've begged mythic over 200 times to do something about radar (buffbots too). And nothing happens... How many times do you think Shux has been appealed? It would suprise me if it wasn't over a thousand. And nothing happens... Mythic cares far more about people macroing when crafting than they do about radar users. It's sad. The radar author of one of the freebie programs used to post on VN how his program tracked the number of users per server and he'd send that info on to Mythic (Merlin was the highest btw, with Hibernia leading the pack), but still, nothing happens from Mythic. It's obvious Mythic doesn't care.

So I'm passed caring. I've been backdoored too many times now to care. I've even started to wonder if I'll join the ranks. I'm not a zerg driver or big into 8man (tho it is fun at times), so I don't think I'd would be getting it to use offensively, but rather defensively. That goes against everything I've argued for and believed, but I am so seriously sick of the cheaters that only hit you from behind, and only when numbers are equal or to their advantage. And when you go hunting for them they are able to evade you forever, while continuing to gank the poor soloers trying to make it to the action.

So call me confused.

[Bobyearl]

Radar is cheating... Just like rubbing in racing(also allowed in NASCAR). It is tolerated b/c it does not make your toon "better." I personally do not care if people use radar or macro. It is however they want to spend their money for a GAME. Does it really matter? I do not think so. Radar DID ruin hte game. there is no more running solo or PVEing in other realms. That is insta death. It is ruined now though... So either get radar or forget about it. BTW.. I would say your mid and alb % are a little low. I would say closer to 90% for all.

[Ormeld]

Radar is a part of daoc now, like it or not, what i personally try to do is not group with people who use it blatantly, like instatly b-lining to somthing the second it pops up is somthing i dont like,

if its getting out of control you'll know when/whats going on, so its up to your personal opinion honestly.

[Elvana]

No your wrong its "tolerated" because Mythic dont want to lose the accounts from the cheaters by banning them... lets look at LV one of the most obvious radar guilds on Merlin. They ran maybe 30 players at peak + say 10 bots. Mythic ban half those players and they cancel half their bots as well. Then maybe another 5 leave the game. Thats a loss of around $3300 per year in accounts and something like $600 more for an expansion pack that those players wont buy. Then people see guilds like that not getting banned and you get the "getting it to compete" argument although it doesn't stop them using it on those who dont want to. Also although this may be a game people do for fun games are supposed to have rules or its just a waste of time. Its not like this game is that challenging anyway.

That said im in agreement with Gundorf nothing anyone can do except quit which I probably will do after trying Frontiers if im not convinced its not meerly more of the same with even more people using radar. I have some people in this game I enjoy talking to but I can do more with my 12 dollars a month.

[Twystyd]

I stopped caring about Radar a while ago, now i just always watch my back and wait until someones radar picks me up.

[Bulor]

i still refuse to radar.. but damn if i will kick someone out of my group that has it! that shit keep sme alive form the zerg! lol

[Winke]

I am going through a 12 step program for radaring anonymous. Seriously everyone uses it now, it's part of the game, I am not saying I ever agreed with it's development, HOWEVER it's now a part of the game. If you refuse to associate yourself with people who use it than you refuse to advance yourself from bows and arrows to M-16's. The game has evolved, evolve with it or be farmed, it's reality. If your against radar thats fine but than go play another game because your not willing to remain competitve in a competitve environment (and who enjoys being a looser?). True, its a lot more fun playing with a level of greater anticipation and strategy, but oh well, the bows and arrows have been replaced by satelite dishes. In summary if you radar today your on equal grounds, if you do not radar your a sitting target and easy newb RP's for the majority of the population that radars.

Winke

[Flipout]

[Marlboro]

What is this thing refered to as "radar"





Where can I get it

[Ormeld]

If you need to cheat in a game to get ahead, take a look at your self

[kordaer]

Interesting replies. Radar hasn't stopped us running 8, we'd run more if we consistantly had more guildies on to combat it. That's pretty much what we plan to do to combat 2+ groups anyway.

And yeah it's just a game, but it's a game against real people, not some emotionless AI.

I just wish Mythic made bannings public. That would've been enough to stem the tide I think.

Why respect the privacy of cheaters? Crappy policy.

[Kirt]

i run in odin's or hadrains most of the time so radar almost never comes into play for me


only emain whores have to really worry about radar

[kordaer]

So hads and odins are radar free zones? That's a bit naive.

I'd think radar would be just as useful in those zones since it's harder to find people (due to there being less around) compared to emain. Besides, that's where gank groups go to get away from the emain zergs.