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Any Thoughts on the U.S. MDP?

Postby Twystyd » Tue Dec 17, 2002 1:10 pm

WASHINGTON (Dec. 16) - President Bush said Tuesday he will begin deploying a limited system to defend the nation against ballistic missiles by 2004.

As a candidate, Bush promised to build an anti-missile shield, and earlier this year he pulled out of an anti-ballistic missile treaty to advance the plan. Tuesday, he cited the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on America as evidence that the country faces ''unprecedented threats'' and needs the anti-missile shield.

''When I came to office, I made a commitment to transform America's national security strategy and defense capabilities to meet the threats of the 21st century,'' Bush said in a prepared statement. ''Today I am pleased to announce we will take another important step in countering these threats by beginning to field missile defense capabilities to protect the United States as well as our friends and allies.''

He called the initial stage ''modest,'' but said, ''These capabilities will add to America's security and serve as a starting point for improved and expanded capabilities later as further progress is made in researching and developing missile defense technologies and in light of changes in the threat.''

The plan calls for 10 ground-based interceptor missiles at Fort Greely, Alaska, by 2004 and an additional 10 interceptors by 2005 or 2006, defense officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Bush said the ''initial capabilities'' will also include sea-based interceptors and sensors based on land, at sea and in space.

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and other defense officials scheduled afternoon briefings to explain details of the plan.

The Washington Times first reported the plan in Tuesday's editions.

Rep. Duncan Hunter, the likely next chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, lauded the decision to proceed on missile defense and said Congress would likely approve additional money. He said an extra $1.5 billion would likely be needed over the next two years for the program that was budgeted for $7.8 billion in 2003.

''Today, the United States cannot stop a single ballistic missile headed for an American city,'' said Hunter, R-Calif., who chairs Armed Services subcommittee on military research and development. ''The consequences of such an attack would be devastating, and the danger continues to grow as nations such as North Korea, Iraq, and Iran continue to develop, purchase, and sell advanced ballistic missile technologies.''

But David Sirota, spokesman for Democrats on the House Appropriations Committee, questioned Bush's priorities.

''If George Bush thinks we are so flush with cash that we can afford billions to deploy a technology that might not even work, then why has he repeatedly rejected funding for basic security like border patrol, Coast Guard and immigration services that we know is desperately needed to prevent another September 11th?'' he said.

Bush's announcement came six days after the latest test of the system failed when an interceptor rocket did not separate from its booster rocket and destroy a Minuteman II intercontinental ballistic missile as planned.

Three of eight tests of the interceptors have been judged failures by the military.

Once U.S. withdrawal from the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile treaty became official last summer, the Pentagon moved quickly to start work at Fort Greely - 100 miles southeast of Fairbanks - on six underground silos for missile interceptors.

The treaty had barred such construction by either the United States or Russia. Bush gave Russia six-months notice of the withdrawal in December 2001.

The initial Bush plan is more limited than the Strategic Defense Initiative envisioned by President Reagan in 1983 that came to be known as ''Star Wars.''

Still, Bush expanded the program significantly from the ground-based plan pursued by President Clinton by also ordering research and testing on sea-based and space-based systems.

The Pentagon has begun conducting tests with short-range missile-defense systems that were prohibited by the ABM Treaty and has built and tested mobile and sea-based sensors to track missiles.

White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said the missile defense timing had nothing to do with North Korea's recent admission that it had a secret program to enrich uranium to make nuclear weapons. But, he noted, Bush cited North Korea as a threat when he promised during his campaign to build an anti-missile safety net.

''Throughout my administration, I have made clear that the United States will take every necessary measure to protect our citizens against what is perhaps the greatest danger of all - the catastrophic harm that may result from hostile states or terrorist groups armed with weapons of mass destruction, and the means to deliver them,'' Bush said in his statement.

The United States has asked to use a radar complex in northern England as part of a global missile defense shield, the British government said Tuesday.

Prime Minister Tony Blair's Downing Street office said the government had made no decision on the written request to use the Royal Air Force base at Fylingdales in North Yorkshire.

American officials have also asked NATO member Denmark if it can upgrade a radar station at an American Air Force base in Greenland as part of the missile defense system, Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen said Tuesday. Greenland is a semiautonomous Danish territory with no say when it comes to defense and foreign policy.
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Postby Elfdroper Gravelender » Tue Dec 17, 2002 2:18 pm

:mrgreen: 2 thoughts. This is going to be another gulf-war w/ no good outcome except dead people. 911 did exactly what it was supposed to do, it scared us and now we are so frightened we are trying to act tough. Nice post Law. :mrgreen:
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Postby Yuengling » Tue Dec 17, 2002 3:49 pm

GL, the whole point of a damn war is too keel people. Once people have been keeled then the war has been successful.

Also, the whole problem with the US is that we were already frightened and very very sally prientated. We fucking need to surround this country in a good damn network of laser beams and exploding dolphins!

On a seriuos tip: Unfortunately there are some people who don't understand shit unless you blow something the fuck up. These people are all around us. They don’t understand until you fuckin arrest their fucking degenerate ass and then let them get fucked by some big ass inmate. What is the solution? More god damn fucking educated people!
Thats why those people in the Mid East are so insane. Only about 15% are literate.

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Postby Twystyd » Tue Dec 17, 2002 4:02 pm

I do have to say Saddam is more of a threat to his own people then we are. I am not going to pretend we are doing this only for the goodness of our hearts but that guy has to go any means necessary. Yes, we will probably benefit from stronger trade agreements with the new regime we put in place but tyranny must be answered with force. Hopefully these people can step out of the middle ages.
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Postby Guyute » Tue Dec 17, 2002 11:41 pm

Hrm. Throwing money at a problem isn't going to fix it, in this case. We should look to the root of the aggression... our foreign policy. Instead of escalating a "state of war" and building missile systems, we should be exploring alternate forms of energy... SO WE CAN GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE MIDDLE EAST!

Our whole problem boils down to Jews and oil. If we didn't feel the need to protect these things, 9/11 would never have happened.
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Postby Pytt » Wed Dec 18, 2002 11:30 am

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Postby Yuengling » Wed Dec 18, 2002 6:07 pm

Where'd you cut and paste that from bro?

Right on Guyute!

How many people do you think lived their every days lives without knowing that there are a shit load of poeple that hate us out there.

Now most everyone knows it. Some people still don't beleive it.
People fuckin hate the US. They got different reasons, but they hate us.

On a similar note: I was looking into the mass production of "exploding dolphins" and by my calculations the dolphins would cost about 15billion dollars less than the Missles. Only problem is that the Dolphins are slightly less accurate, seems they are a 1 in 8 shot (compared to the missles 3 in 8).
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Postby Guyute » Wed Dec 18, 2002 8:00 pm

Exploding miami dolphins! That is a good idea.
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Postby Elfdroper Gravelender » Thu Dec 19, 2002 2:32 pm

:mrgreen: Didnt we try this star wars shit already and find it to be overexpensive and not very fkin efficient. wtf are we worrying about protecting ourselves from missles when the earth will be to polluted for human life w/in the next 100 years anyways. :mrgreen:
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Postby Yuengling » Sun Dec 29, 2002 8:25 pm

Don't worry Mother Nature has her own overpopulation defenses (i.e. Earthquakes, Floods, Tornados, and RedNecks)

Why rednecks? More and more rednecks per year end up killing themselves, their family, or city-folk in drug or alcohol related accidents.
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Postby CostcoXyzzy » Mon Jan 06, 2003 11:03 am

I think it's a great idea btw and I'm Canadian. This is essentially a resurrection of the Star Wars (propaganda at the time).

Reagan's "Star Wars" sent Russia into a military spending frenzy and is probably the primary reason Russia was led to the edge of bankrupcy.

It's invevitable that enemy nations will have nuclear intercontinental ballistics - probably within 25 years regardless of US/UN efforts to deter them. So this is a worthwhile program - North American missile shield.
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Postby Twystyd » Mon Jan 06, 2003 12:11 pm

It's invevitable that enemy nations will have nuclear intercontinental ballistics - probably within 25 years


Agrees xyzzy, and a good chance many will have launch and warhead capabilities sooner.
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