What needs to be done with the BWC Alliance.

[Majesticone]

Ting,
I just wanted to weigh in on one of your points. You wrote:

I think celestrial is a great Raid leader... and with gundorf gone for a while most people leaned on her for most raids. I have noticed that she greatly reduced her RvR raids to more TOA raids ever since it came out.

Yes, Celest has led a lot of ToA raids. It quickly became apparent that if we were to keep up in RvR, we had to do ToA (blame Mythic). Celest quickly stepped up to the plate and started leading ToA artifact and ML raids. Sure, she could have stopped once she got a few artifacts and some ML levels under her belt, but she didn't. She knew that others needed it too if they were to be able to compete. We all looked to her as leader of the alliance to help us, and she didn't disappoint us. Many of us have now attained ML10 now thanks to her and we can once again dominate RvR. I don't mean this as a contradiction to what you said, or for kissing Celest's a.., what I mean to show by it is that we have a great alliance that can and does do anything to show why it is great.

Just my 2 cents.

[Moonbone]

XII Fulminata was kicked by Cele decision bcos a guy in our guild tried to finish his 49,5 to 50 but Cele wanted him IMMEDIATLY to be at her order.

I don't need to comment that and remember her that we defended this realm with my SB or BD severals times...and euro times not mean inactive...


GL guys and bye


Moonbone RR8L2

[Joshll]

"I think celestrial is a great Raid leader... and with gundorf gone for a while most people leaned on her for most raids. I have noticed that she greatly reduced her RvR raids to more TOA raids ever since it came out. "

LMAO Celest can't win. Dinging RR10 during that time wasn't enough? She has RVR'd nightly. And there's just so many times you can do laps in emain. Plus, pussy albs won't retake their keeps most of the time now and hibs have never worried about it.

As you can tell, I'm a celest love slave applicant. Damn that phishbone!

[Ormeld]

Shit happends, its tough when the whole alliance relys on one person to do toa and rvr, thats honestly part of the reason i first left bwc, i wanted to rvr, but seeing that everyone relyed on celes to do everything. Keep raids? oh wheres celes. MLs? oh there not running smooth without celes there, Celes did her best to take care of the MLS first because, theres only 10, now that alot of mids are ml10 or done with toa or almost done, she can concentrate on more rvr, also we all arn't stupid we have plenty of qualified people to lead shit, just no one takes the risk.

[Twystyd]

I think the alliance changes are great. Well done everyone ~

part of the reason i first left bwc, i wanted to rvr

Quick question? When did BWC loose it as an RvR guild? I have noticed a huge amount of people more interested in creating their 5th, 6th alt in a four year old game, then dinging higher RA levels. I just hope we are not a guild of SM's to keep peoples ebay cashflow going.

As far as Celes goes, fact is - BWC needed those ML's. PvE does have it's points. Like Josh said, shes been the biggest RP earner from BWC on a monthly basis (maybe Yipee). She also is a great option as leader. Very good posts on this thread ~

[Menagery]

I can understand your reasoning for the changes to the alliance. And in the long run they wil be good. I woudl like to say 2 things.

1) I have told any active members of Tingtong Inc that they are welcome to Join Nex Necis. Deran/Roblram/trixem was in our guild on Mordred with us and has offered to take in any members who wish to still be part of the allaince with a more active guild. I myself have what I need of toa and ML's and am waitng for Frontiers to play more actively. In the meantime I am playing L2. We were with you through alot of bullshit and alot of good times. Even the trip to mordred was quite interesting and was really nice to get to know more BWC on a more personal level. I will still remain a GM of TTI and RVR when Frontiers is active. Hopefully i wil find groups who need me Sexy Thane.

2)

3.)Tingtong Inc (they where great for us in the past, but now that TT is selling, they are dead, why keep them around?)

This statement is very hard for me to take in. I find it very sad and very disappointing that our guild was only thought of as Tingtong. We have had so many great players and people in our guild that for the alliance to dismiss them and think of them as nothing is very hurtful in my eyes. 7 of our top 10 realm point holders for the guild are all different people who arent Tingtong. Not all of guild is selling only Tingtong.

Statement 2 is my own personal opinion and does not refelct any feelings of anyone else in my guild or Tingtong himself.

Godoluck to the New BWC alliance. I am not sure what forum access I will still have but either way its been fun.

[Ormeld]

Law: Never, i just wanted to rvr an ass load before i went on the IR ehe, and yes i think the steps taken in the past few days are an improvement, but the works not done yet. Dont be afriad to step up and say somthing if no one else is. If i see someone from my alliance try to help orgianize things, they will get my 120% support

[Twystyd]

Shit Orm my bad, was not directing that at you bro. I just saw a few statements in Tings and your posts leaning twards the fact we lost our place as the RvR alliance. I was just chiming in to see if maybe our RvR stance has changed. /shrug I'm behind whatever you guys do.

Menage you and the rest of TTI are family. No joke, I can see Ting and others always working with BWC in the future. We have on so many server and games now. Please understand that ~

[Ormeld]

Spoke with Redux today, they are holding an alliance meeting to deside on what to do