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About OS Drama 2day (LONG)

Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 3:48 am
by Ormeld
I was very upset at the fact that we wouldn't go defend bled the first time, then the second time i was stuck to Zet and he did what he wanted, i told him to go to bled but he said he didn't want to do a 50 vs 16 so i was like what ever, i didnt respond to people cause i was pissed at the fact that i had to beg DnD to come out and help cause my own guild wouldn't. After that aens pulled my card saying im leaving the guild. Which at a time was true because i was very disapointed and aens and i talked alot and i let his feelings pursaued(SP?) my own. The truth is, i want rvr, and i was promised a plvl for my healer and hella rvr action if i was to join with some ascendancy people who where having problems with emjay, i agreed, and i told aens about it because at the time we where speaking openly about issues with the guild and i told him about that. He then pulled my card in /os telling everyone my intent was to leave which 2 weeks ago was true, but im uncertain at this time. Some harsh things where said in /os about me and people tell there true feelings when there mad so. Actions speak louder then words, and im still with BWC so ya. I havn't been participating with the guild this week because, i want to rvr before im unable to, i've made this clear on serveral occations. But what was unfair is, when i was rvring with them i was doing it prolly 1-2 hours before the guild started to rvr which i was then basically told to drop what i was doing and do what they wanted, which i did in a way. there where a few things brought to my attention about my actions this past weekend that where said to be a problem.
1. We where at beno (celes group and mine) and emjay had died near mmf in hadrians and we went to go res her. OTW there i had to get Sous who was at mmf, so i broke off stick to get him. Which aens made a fit about because "there was known hib activity in the area" and if they woulda encountered a group, they woulda died. my group was 5-10 seconds away from them tops during that lil trip to get emjay. After i got sous they rezed emjay then we grouped up and went back to beno. i didn't think it was a big deal. I understand celes is the leader, but im not her puppy and there was no danger in the area so i went to get sous who was 5 seconds away. hang me for that.
2. Later that night, we just killed 80ish albs near Berk, after that, we had some down time at berk, which in the mean time my dinner was ready and i told my group afk. During that time, Celes moved to rens and i lost stick. Celes procedded with Rens and when i was back, my group went back to get me, where celes and the zerg got rolled by 150 albs. Aens and celes complant what that i shoulda told /gu i was afk. Ur right, i should have, and for that im sorry, but dont blame me for that loss.
3. The guild went artifact hunting, i was there for a few but then had to leave because i had to fill out papers for my surgery and i wanted to finish my template, i got flamed for that so my comment is fuck u if u cant understand that i have IRL things to deal with. 3 hours later. i came back and hunted a mob with one of my ascendancy friends, and was later flamed for helping them not the guild. I dont care what u think about this
4. Today, the pre drama happend where i was disapointed because no one would get outta TOA to defend our keep. Then the albs died due to DnD saving the day after i begged them. Then they came back so the guild went out there, and i was with my DnD group, where ZETROY was driving not Orm, and they hit bled while my group was roaming, albs backdoored them and they died. Aens said in /gu a bit before that happend "Ormeld where are you" i didn't reply because now i cant stand aens and i was angry at the pervious situation.

So then te drama started about me leaving and bla bla bla, Who cares, Yes i thought about leaving, yes the offer is still there, BUT bottom line, im still with BWC and thats that. Plz dont hold anything back here, i want ur honest opinoin and what u feel should happen to me if anything

Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 10:04 am
by Eirene
Ok. This is really got out of hand and over-dramatized.

First of all, as an appointed leader (meaning you stepped up on more than one occasion, helped out others, took responsibilities on your own) there were some expectations of you. Lately I have seen it off an on.

However, I can't change the guild direction for just one person. (Aenslaed and I had a 4 hour long conversation about this and harshly warned him that I wasn't going to take another episode) We do things collectively. Most of the guild wants to have higher Master Levels, activated artifacts as tools for new RvR in the next few weeks. When I log on everyday I receive about 50-100 messages per hour about doing Master Levels, Keep Seiges, and Artifact hunting (since WE ARE the MOST ADVANCED guild in Master Levels on Mid Merlin -- We had to help Veturi (You know, uber PvEers) on completing ML3s.)

I think what we are lacking here is communication. I don't know what is going on with you unless you tell me specifically or either post on these message boards so we can help you out as a guild in any way we can. Just yesterday I find out you are going to have surgery and want to rvr as much as possible. RvR on Merlin is dead. However we have been doing a lot of rvr lately. We topped over 1 million realm points but we spend the majority of our time in ToA.

Let me go into the points you brought up:

1) We had a guild seige keep event on Sunday. Farmed over 300 albs, each guild member made over 30,000 rps each. As a guild, we tested our new Master Levels on the Albs and did it successfully. We formed groups and you volunteered to be group 2 leader so right there I started depending on you as a guild leader and being responsible in directions. I guess what irked me is that you volunteered to be a guild group leader but inviting non-guildmates to group and not telling me what was going on or where you were. I am understanding of most situations. However going on suicide missions to get a non-guildmate is mind boggling to me (this was early in the day). Our group rezzed Emjay while you were getting your non-guild member. Its ok to get grab our alliance members for our rvr groups but that particular day, I asked you to grab Winke or Ezeus and you told me you saved the spot for another non-guild member again. Right then, I was getting mad since we had to form 3 groups when we could have condensed it to 2 groups with the number of members we had online. I always believe guild members have first priority in groups. This is another prime example of not being communicative in guild chat or /o chat.

2) Another example of not being communicative as a leader, I depended on you to be our 2nd team and your group was no where to be seen. (ugh...Kairma flashbacks /shudder) Sometimes you have to think this way "if you aren't together, you will never be together". If you said a least something, we would have made other plans like taking Boldiam, hanging in Berkstead, etc etc. I count you as a member of a team and without telling me things I automatically assume you are with me. Sometimes I felt when you weren't with me its like a slap in the face in my direction. Its like I place trust and responsibility in you and you do the quite opposite and I feel like "Ok what the hell is wrong with him". And then I get messages from Myth etc "where is the other BWC group? I thought they were with us." Do you know how much of a nightmare answering those messages over and over? Guess not.

3) No one really flamed you for anything. If you have real life stuff, by all means do what you have to do. All of us are pretty much understanding in what's going on in the world today. I think more or less we wanted you to come along and enjoy the comradery with us. Or lately, we asked you to come along for Master Level trials and you agree to bring a character, you log after 20 mins into the trial, then 20 mins later you are asking me about Healer artifacts for you Healer template on another character. I don't know how to take it hehe.

4) We were in a middle of a ToA artifact encounter when albs struck Bledmeer. We were a bit slow in trying to get there to defend. Albs died at the lord the first time. I was willing to lose Bledmeer because we are low in bounty points. However we got there and were on the keep and the group you were with gave me the impression that they were going to strike behind them as they were screaming in the CG to prepare for enemies but they arrived 1 min too late. Not a big deal. Personal issues aside you should a least sent me a message on what was going on. We were able to kill them later on.

Ormeld, I'm not holding you back. If you want to leave and find greener pastures then you can go. However, I tell this to all the people I have recruited and been in the guild for a while that I am willing to work with them in anyway I can to optimally change their mind or challenge them on their reasons of leaving. The guild has grown a bit, we have a lot of new members (mostly old myth) and as officers in this forum we have to work together in making this more collective and working together since we now have sections of the guild on Lancelot and Mordred. Obviously there are some issues with you and Aenslaed and hopefully we can try to bridge them. Its your choice on what you want to do. I respect you in coming to this forum to try to work on these outstanding issues. You are one of the most down to earth people I've met so I want to try to work out this.

Ormeld, best wishes to you on your surgery, take care of yourself and since you live in Sacto, maybe you, me, Jeff, Law and few others can hang out in a few weeks :)