bush wins...

[Rhiandra Rangnar]

Winke:

In a nation as divided as we are now you cant just expect people to get over it. It's far from being that easy.


It will be the responsibility of the president to pull us together as best as possible and sadly this task will prove to be a tough one due to the high numbers of Americans who oppose this president.


Hopefully Kerry's speech this afternoon will help some of the voters who now mourn for this nation and it's citizens.

The people will need time to come to terms with this re-election and even more time to try to put their trust in the hands of a man that they have clearly voiced that they do not trust.

All any of us can do at this point is hope for the best outcome possible.

Candide:

Let me start by saying that no, it is not me that needs to wake up. I highly doubt that I am the only person who feels that big business should not be running a country where the vast majority of its citizens are middle-class. What happened to by the people FOR the people?


As far as my views on the hispanic feeling [dare I say], this is made by first hand experience. My entire staff is hispanic save for one and I have sat down with many of them and listened to what they are saying and that is what "they" are saying. I didn't try to sway anyones vote one way or the other, I basically just wanted to understand why which I still do not.

I am not a perfect person, nor am I uneducated or uninformed. I understand that this country needs to stand behind it's president whomever that may be, but that alone is not a reason to re-elect someone.

As far as the dead fish in the water comment, let me try to explain why I think/said this.

I think that this election was an opportunity for change that we as a nation shouldve taken. My main reason for this is because we are at war, a war that I seriously think will continue for a long time to come, perhaps years, yes, years. It is this reason why I called him a dead fish in the water. I do not believe his main objective will be to end this war, thus this country will continue to bury countless members of its citizen base and at the end of this final term Bush's predecessor will have one hell of a mess to clean up, one hell of a nation to rebuild and countless alliances to rebuild.

I firmly believe that there should be a limit on terms available to serve but at times of war, especially at times of war the ideas behind a second term need to be seriously evaluated. Is the man who holds that position going to diligently work for a country he will not run in four years or will he produce more of the same and concentrate on his own future rather then americas?

[its hard for me to really explain this because it is a feeling and feelings are often times hard to put in words]

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It will be the responsibility of the president to pull us together as best as possible and sadly this task will prove to be a tough one due to the high numbers of Americans who oppose this president.

I dont have statistics or a "source" but Bush scored the highest vote count ever recorded in this nations history. That, and he won the election(as far as we know). High number of Americans who oppose Bush? Seems the exact opposite imo. More like a high number of Americans do not want Kerry in office i'd say

[Rhiandra Rangnar]

Flip: This was not a landslide victory for Bush, it was closer to 50/50 and those statistics clearly show a nation divided.

[TrollFunk]

All i can say after being stuck on CNN all day is: RECOUNT!!!.

[Candide]

Rhia, I respect your opinions, and the fact that you responded clearly and without letting feelings get in the way.

Like I said, I avoid this topic along with religion almost always. I thought it wouldn't be (and was correct) an issue to toss in my thoughts after yours tho. These boil down to beliefs, and many people (including the two of us it would seem) have already made their opinions, and there won't be much gained out of continuing on (particularly now, so seen after the election).

The only thing I wanted to touch on is I work for an international shipping company, the largest to ship goods to Central America. Half the building is of some Central/Latin American descent living here in Florida. I get my feelings from them as well

I think, as difficult as it is for people with firm, established beliefs, we need to recognize that others have different opinions. Sadly, with the media as it is today, both sides will have interpretations of any controversial issue and will continue on debating for ever. I'm just happy my taxes aren't going up and hope that we continue out of the recession Bush inherited 4 years ago.

Oh, and I REALLY hope Hillary doesn't get voted in 4 more years

[Mourningblade]

Bah, Gotta love election years

I was (pleasantly) surprised that Kerry didn't play the lawyer card and he showed alot of class.

I found the individual states ballot measures alot more interesting than the race for pres. Alaska voted down outright legalizing marijuana by only 20k votes or something, very close. I also loved the Schwarzenegger quote with regards to Indian casino measures in California. "

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger helped easily defeat two measures related to Indian gaming by arguing: "The Indians are ripping us off."

Prop 200 in Arizona was another interesting measure that looks like its going to pass. (no state welfare for illegals)

The measure requires individuals to prove eligibility when applying for non-federally mandated public benefits. Workers not doing so could face four months in jail and a $750 fine.

and Montana joined the states with medical marijuana law on the books

For better or worse, I'm glad we all have the freedom to choose and dissenters are not take to soccer stadiums for public execution

Thats my 2 cents worth

[Nilbert500]

bush ftw

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Rhia: Guess its one of those glass half empty or half full views


lotsa /hugs

<3

[Rhuac]

I just wanted to make a comment on the "Bush has had the highest record of votes" comment. I don't think it's a glass half full/empty thing at all flip. For two reasons, our population is obviously increasing ie more votes, and two, the country is hugely divided as Rhia said, and that alone will produce more votes; for and against. We've had one of the highest voter turnouts in awhile, and it just goes to show how divided people are when such a huge number votes and the results are still %49/51.

You can make statistics look any way you want.

[Teif]

As a person who supports and voted for Bush, I can honeslty say that the Democrats should have walked away with this election.


Kerry was not the person that they should have put up as their candidate, plain and simple. The man had too many shadows in his closet that were able to be turned into skeletons, and that's what hurt him in the end, in my opinion. There are way too many voters in this country who do not bother to educate themselves on the actual issues, and end up basing their vote on a candidate's charisma and apparent trustworthiness. With all of the talk going on about Kerry's Vietnam days, the swiftboat accusations, his undisclosed/unauthorized talks after he came home from Vietnam, and the false Bush documentation by CBS, it comes as no surprise to me that Kerry lost because scandals and smears are what made up a decent majority of headlines for this election. The Democrats would have had this election in the palm of their hands if they would have picked a candidate that was completely unquestionable as to their capabilities to lead this country. Kerry was not that candidate.


The Democrats are in a bad place right now within their party, and hopefully they will take the next four years to put themselves back together. Though I am a Republican, it disturbs me that one party (even if it is my own) controls the presidency and congress. Only time will tell how the upcoming setup will work, but I would be much more comfortable with a balanced feeling of power.

[killets]

i hate everyone in this thread.

[killets]

actually i just wanted a +1. now +2

[killets]

teif, what do you mean kerry shouldn't have been the one?

you'd rather had edwards, who has served like 1 senate term and is famous for winning hundreds of millions of dollars from hospitals based on "voodoo science"?

gephardt who has even less charisma and more left than kerry?

howard dean who was practically acting like an extremist as they were leading up to the primaries?

I think kerry had the best chance honestly amongst all the possible candidates. maybe wesley clark if he didn't sound like a tard on any domestic issues.

kerry lost because his campaign wasn't as aggressive as bush's imo. he was relying on activists to push his agenda which is still pretty unclear to the majority of america.

[Teif]

Eh my point didn't come across too well I suppose. I agree with you that Kerry was the best choice out of the dem candidates that were presented to America. Though that sounds like a contradiction of my previous post, its just my opinion that out of those few he had the greatest chance of success. However, he just was not the ideal person that the Dems NEEDED at this point (nor were any of the other candidates for that matter), and the democratic party should have realized that his questionable past could turn out to be one of his own worst enemies (as it was, along with an unclear stand on the issues like you pointed out). I don't know if there was anything the party could have done about their selections, but you cannot disagree that it was a golden opporotunity for the Democrats to put one of their own in office with all of the animosity Bush has generated during his term in office.



By my comment about the party being in a bad spot right now, I was kind of implying that they weren't strong enough to put up anyone better than Kerry, and hopefully with the outcome of this election they see that.

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Teif for Prez imo.